Is Smash Ultimate A Bad Game?

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6 сарын өмнө

Today we review a very in-depth video that was made to voice the competitive failings of Smash Ultimate. In this video, I review it and give my opinion whether that is a true statement or not and it allows for interesting discussion!
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Jonathan C
Jonathan C 4 өдрийн өмнө
We already found the strongest character STEVE
cosplay shelly#mature geek
cosplay shelly#mature geek 13 өдрийн өмнө
Exactly why I can't get on with this game
Heyheyday66 Сарын өмнө
Anyone still here?
Schmoopy Tron
Schmoopy Tron 2 сарын өмнө
hey kiddos just to let you all know he dwiddled a 14 year old
SmuGGumS 2 сарын өмнө
Smash Bros is the worst fighting game ever to be made. Go play Street Fighter people, Smash is crap
Luca 8 өдрийн өмнө
@SmuGGumS when you say it's the worst fighting game and that it's crap , you talk like you're stating a fact , and you even tell other people what to do (to go play street fighter ) , i'm sorry , but that's not how opinions work , you could just say you dont like the game .
SmuGGumS Сарын өмнө
Maxwell Sings I did. It seems good at first, but you realise a lot of flaws overtime. Examples are inconsistent hitboxes. You do know those situations, right? Falcon Punches and Warlock Punches. Another thing is the ratio of the tier list. WAY too unbalanced, compare it to other fighting games. DLC’s cost way too much and are too complex, from what I expected like Joker and Terry. Terry is just basically a rip-off version of Ryu and Ken, but super OP, watching the gameplays. Speaking of simularity, there are WAY too many characters too similar like echo fighters, Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Mario Luigi, Fox, Falco. The genres are also way too mixed up. Gives cool themes sometimes or cute, then I go like “What’s this meant to be?”; not a straight idea. The shields don’t make sense, as they should be based on durability instead of size, having proof as Yoshi’s Down B but doesn’t break sometimes. The little battlefields are sloppy, as they can’t be converted to other stages, as they are just a battlefield with no top platform. Tier lists, again just makes you want to only stick to good characters and no one else, which is just so inconsistent as only a little number of them are top tier, so there for it is almost not valuable to try new characters. That’s about my argument. Can turn this into a debate
Maxwell Sings
Maxwell Sings Сарын өмнө
@SmuGGumS ok, sorry but may I ask have you played smash?
SmuGGumS Сарын өмнө
Maxwell Sings I’m just giving my opinion so don’t be a bitch about it
Maxwell Sings
Maxwell Sings 2 сарын өмнө
Fuck off
Jack Baznia
Jack Baznia 2 сарын өмнө
Chase Plushy
Chase Plushy 2 сарын өмнө
Me: *angry 13 year old noise*
Rurple 2 сарын өмнө
height000 3 сарын өмнө
Metal Mario
Metal Mario 3 сарын өмнө
... *Tries not to cry* God...damnit.
Metal Mario
Metal Mario Сарын өмнө
@Dober Yeah, I want Zero to come back, Not the....Not the Person he was When he did that, Just the person he always was.
Dober Сарын өмнө
I just want him to come back to be honest
Charkit 3 сарын өмнө
"WaAaAaA tHe BuFfEr SyStEm Is BaD!1!" "What about the very good balance?" "BuFfEr Is BaD!1!1!" "Yeah but the balance is good." **incoherent crybaby noises**
Barnacle 2 сарын өмнө
@Charkit For casual play yeah its pretty unnoticeable. But when you want to pull off combos and etc, it starts to become VERY noticeable. Playing combo heavy characters like Sheik and Bayo can be a chore to learn and play because of the buffer system.
Charkit 2 сарын өмнө
@Barnacle Yeah I get that it's important, but I personally have no issues with the buffer system.
Barnacle 2 сарын өмнө
@Charkit I mean, the response is somewhat justified. Control is one of the most, if not THE most important aspect of a fighting game. If the game feels clunky and unresponsive then the frustration is justified. That and the online is horrid. Lag plus a horrible buffer system is an insanely bad combo for a fighting game.
Charkit 2 сарын өмнө
@Barnacle Yeah that's true but I think people are overreacting over the buffer system
Barnacle 2 сарын өмнө
To be fair, having fluid control over your character is alot more important.
JIHPOOPY 3 сарын өмнө
Its trash
Barnacle 2 сарын өмнө
@ShinoVevo Yes
ShinoVevo 2 сарын өмнө
Kamron Palmer
Kamron Palmer 3 сарын өмнө
Wait dosent that mean that terry ryu and ken bypass this system meaning they are the most broken characters
Single Housing Unit
Single Housing Unit 3 сарын өмнө
Not saying that he was wrong, smash isn't a competitively thought game. But it's accessibly makes ultimate the best one imo
Pink Loser
Pink Loser 3 сарын өмнө
You hate rage but think arsene should stay? 🤔
Pink Loser
Pink Loser 2 сарын өмнө
ShinoVevo I hate rage too, and arsene bair kills way too early for being so quick. I just don’t like comeback mechanics in general
ShinoVevo 2 сарын өмнө
Literally everyone hates smash 4 rage. If you're gonna bitch about a persona that just kills you at reasonable %'s but not see the problem with smash 4 rage you need help
Wulf Senju
Wulf Senju 3 сарын өмнө
Zero make a video of you beating kids ass and talking shit like you used to! Maybe another dope story. I miss you whooping kids and just talking normally as if your not ending WiFi warriors careers
Connor The Duke
Connor The Duke 3 сарын өмнө
He cant anymore
Monty 4 сарын өмнө
in my opinion smash ultimate is way more fun to play than watch
Kaiju Sumaljag
Kaiju Sumaljag 4 сарын өмнө
Is Smash bros a bad game? Me: well yes, but actually no
nathaniel lockhart
nathaniel lockhart 4 сарын өмнө
Buff jigglypuff give her the marker for extended range!!!!
Donnie McIntyre
Donnie McIntyre 4 сарын өмнө
I kinda hate it when a MNdownr only watch clips and instead of the video because the youtuber could miss important points by mistake or on purpose(This in general, I don't think Zero done it on purpose). The original video claimed the Pokemon Trainer was a cool, original character but Zero didn't put that in the video but he still brought a point that there is good top tier design wise but it got addressed in the whole video and the video supported his views... This is just one point. I don't hate Zero but this kinda make me angry.
ShinoVevo 2 сарын өмнө
I think the editors were trying to do their best to focus on zero pointing out the more important stuff
ShinyHunter2020 4 сарын өмнө
Not trying to sound salty but can someone tell me why Kirby is always ranked so low in tier lists?
kiwi ninja
kiwi ninja 6 өдрийн өмнө
Lack of mixups. All he has is down throw to fair and up b spam
Connor The Duke
Connor The Duke 3 сарын өмнө
He sucks
Joshua. 4 сарын өмнө
honestly some of the things said in this video has never happened to me and i think personal that the smash ultimate controls are pretty great but everyone has there own opinion
Necropants 4 сарын өмнө
This guy is obviously a smart guy but man some of the words he uses sounds like some one who has never actually heard that word in real life and attempting to say it how he reads it in his mind. He's kind of hard to listen too.
isocuda 4 сарын өмнө
Imagine if Nintendo learned from Ubisoft's work with R6? (Where they make balance changes, for the most part, from the Pro League)
Reicher Wallace
Reicher Wallace 5 сарын өмнө
This explains so much. Like why I keep getting SDs due to dodges that didn't need to happen anymore coming out after being hit so I dodge in air at the ledge....usually away from the ledge and toward the bottom blast zone.
Blockhead134 5 сарын өмнө
"Its not Melee." -Melee players
Corey Yuen
Corey Yuen 5 сарын өмнө
that grandma do be putting doe
Welcome Back
Welcome Back 5 сарын өмнө
This dude lost so much weight over the course of his videos good job
Blues 5 сарын өмнө
Fudj was preaching to the choir with this one. Smash ultimate is the most unfun experience I've ever had with a smash game. Everyone else seems to love it though and dogpile me when I state reasons why I don't like to play it. So I've just come to the realization that smash just isn't for me anymore.
Ness Wednesday
Ness Wednesday 5 сарын өмнө
7:48 For awareness that the buffer system has been hated since the beginning of the Smash Ultimate. It still hasn't been fixed
MegamanElric16 5 сарын өмнө
*reads title* No.
Tim D Nchantr
Tim D Nchantr 5 сарын өмнө
I think they skills remaster melee. Make it literally exactly the same, but with today's graphics
Tim D Nchantr
Tim D Nchantr 5 сарын өмнө
Zero: calls himself reasonable Me: that's enough of a reason to doubt
eazyrat 5 сарын өмнө
i'm a smash noob and i wasn't sure if i was being a salty bitch but i swore sometimes i press an input and smash is
madtrini 5 сарын өмнө
That outro is really weird man.
Samuel Lane
Samuel Lane 5 сарын өмнө
So is no one going to comment on the undertales background music then?
Eugene 5 сарын өмнө
Mario players: aight time to fair to end the game Buffer system: aight i see that you wanna do a nair i gotchu bro
CringeMan 5 сарын өмнө
tbh I don't like the game.
1stKing BBQChicken
1stKing BBQChicken 5 сарын өмнө
Me: *reads title* Also me: Yes
Shinyumbreon143 5 сарын өмнө
Man that pichu nurf still hurt me
humaneshadowx71 5 сарын өмнө
Nobody gonna called it bad game if they not winning
Salted Neos
Salted Neos 5 сарын өмнө
I'm the only person I know who prefers 4 to ultimate... and this shits exactly why. I can't fucking control the game. It feels clunkier than Melee (to someone who doesn't play Melee).
SlickSlush 5 сарын өмнө
If it's a bad game, then why the hell do you play It?
Kyle DeChant
Kyle DeChant 5 сарын өмнө
13:31 zero literally steals Fudj’s joker point. Sry for meanlessly pointing this out😰
Sean Downey
Sean Downey 5 сарын өмнө
One thing i wish I had in SSBU is the ability to separate smash attacks and tilt attacks from the same stick. I just want to have my tilts on one stick, and my smash attacks on the other. I'm getting better, but I find that I often end up doing a smash attack when I really wanted to do a tilt, simply cause I rush the stick to the proper direction too fast. So i changed the right stick (pro-controller, I know I'm a pleb) to be my tilt attack stick since I'm more able to do a smash attack with that shared left stick than a tilt. But of course, inconsistency is my middle name, so I will still sometimes do a tilt when I wanted to smash attack. Usually when I'm doing multiple smash attacks at a time. Gosh I wish I had an option.
WolfStrongFist 5 сарын өмнө
yes not really, im just salty cuz im bad
Gustavo Badillo
Gustavo Badillo 5 сарын өмнө
Ultimate is fine, everything about its buffer system you can adapt to, its a bit of a pain compared to other smash games but saying you "cannot adapt to it" is just false. it would be much harder to adapt to frame perfect systems and to maintain them under pressure. The Balance is the best its ever been, hands down. And making more more systems be available for toggle is of course the best policy you could implement but wanting to "compete" and be stopped because of something like that, probably means you were not going to go far anyways. People in smash 4 were using Bidou for specific characters at the halfway mark of its lifespans, some pro players switching entirely. Ultimate is -objectively- a much better competitive game than any other before it and thats fine. Why? Character variety and viability, more tech, less overpowered gimmicks and a balance that doesnt completely push a certain weight/playstyle of characters out of the playing field. You see Bowser reaching top 8, just as much as you see Pichu, and you see Projectile play almost as much as you see combos. Peace.
Darrin Bailey
Darrin Bailey 5 сарын өмнө
Gustavo Badillo Noob
Emerson Santos
Emerson Santos 5 сарын өмнө
Nintendo isnt the one responsible by the online, Namco, the developer is.
HeroOfTime 5 сарын өмнө
I'm not even gonna watch this...No its not. You may not like it and thats fine. But to say smash ultimate is bad game is just factually wrong
Beerus Ayllon
Beerus Ayllon 5 сарын өмнө
Ultimate was great prepatch cpu's Now low tiers got nerfed let it die play project m
Beerus Ayllon
Beerus Ayllon 4 сарын өмнө
🚁 🚁 🚁 🚁 🚁 Watch the new video.. 🚁
Beerus Ayllon
Beerus Ayllon 4 сарын өмнө
@jvalex18 Zero does
Beerus Ayllon
Beerus Ayllon 5 сарын өмнө
@jvalex18 evo does
jvalex18 5 сарын өмнө
No one plays Project M.
Ti Minou
Ti Minou 5 сарын өмнө
Cant they just add sliders to customize game speed/buffer ?
SonManuel20 5 сарын өмнө
Smash Bros Ultimate is the best game of the series!
SonManuel20 5 сарын өмнө
@Darrin Bailey Just get out of my way
Darrin Bailey
Darrin Bailey 5 сарын өмнө
StackingManuel19 gtfo
Adonius Smith
Adonius Smith 5 сарын өмнө
Zero actually managed to give actual arguments that didnt just amount to "git gud" im glad i subbed
The United Marshmallow Federation
The United Marshmallow Federation 5 сарын өмнө
Yes, move on
Yuneek 5 сарын өмнө
K REAL [yes it is] BETA 創造的な
K REAL [yes it is] BETA 創造的な 5 сарын өмнө
H e should've called it: The Order Of Priorities Selection OOPS!
Xenon 5 сарын өмнө
The clunkyness made me move to rivals
kevin ortiz
kevin ortiz 5 сарын өмнө
Want to know something funny I thought my controllers were broken Bc I swear I would input something but it wouldn’t come out so I have 6+ controllers and come to find out they’re perfect but smash is just dumb oh well at least I have a bunch of cool controllers now
Elliot Vall
Elliot Vall 5 сарын өмнө
With the 8bittdo controller you can buffer a combo
MrDgf97 5 сарын өмнө
I genuinely believe that if the game had the buffer system toned down a lot, the ability to toggle the short hop shortcut, and less input lag, it would fix like 70% of the problems with the game.
Donald J Gump Official
Donald J Gump Official 3 сарын өмнө
Couldn't they just bind short and big hop to 2 different buttons?
Patrick Lampe
Patrick Lampe 5 сарын өмнө
In my opinion its a bit unbalanced, but no more so than any other smash game. Pretty balance considering it isn't actually a competitive game intentionallu
Mann Face
Mann Face 5 сарын өмнө
Beaniethecorgioverlord 5 сарын өмнө
OohEhOohAhah TingTang
OohEhOohAhah TingTang 5 сарын өмнө
14:00 Why in the history of... did they gave *SNAKE* a mortier? I mean... are you sure they played the game? Maybe I remember wrong, but Snake was more about... finesse than... what ever that character is. Like.. give Mario the N64 triple jump... or the weird jump-kick. Give Ganon a projectile (I mean.. in which Zelda game did Ganon went 100% melee form on you? He *always* had *something* to throw at you) Put Luigi on the 2nd step of the podium, even when he wins. Give Megaman his X suit. FFs. Give him the suit.
E 5 сарын өмнө
In person? No. Online? Yes. Very.
ikagura 5 сарын өмнө
Ricardo Reyes
Ricardo Reyes 5 сарын өмнө
Algun pana que me ayude, a que se refiere cuando dice "CLONKY" o algo asi.
Darklaw 5 сарын өмнө
It's a bad game because it didn't keep the nature of each character and instead made most of the cast bad. Also, everyone compares it to melee when melee wasnt designed as a competitive game either
Izreal Blazkey
Izreal Blazkey 5 сарын өмнө
It’s not bad but it’s overrated. It definitely got carried by hype this time around. The online is bad unless you create your own rooms. Online Ranking is terrible. Love the game but kinda feel like they missed some things. It obviously sells because of fan boys like me but yeah.
Salender 5 сарын өмнө
Can someone mod that game for correct dat buffering issue ?
Ness is Bad
Ness is Bad 5 сарын өмнө
Still a good game, fun wise but it’s the community killing the game, it’s fun to pull out your switch at a party and play a game with your homies, but when people are saying this game isn’t competitive it’s shit and all that they ruin it for player that want to play without a character being hated but because he’s “broken” ur trash for playing them, tell me competitive players how would you like it if every casual player in the world said competitive is trash, would you still play the game competitively? What if no one watched you would you still play? Stop killing fun for casual players.
Darrin Bailey
Darrin Bailey 5 сарын өмнө
Ness is Bad or suck it up and stop being a pussy!!
William Brown
William Brown 5 сарын өмнө
Wow, at times game talk gets to have a lingo where I get lost with what ppl are even talking about lol. It’s like when I first was introduced to the net, having to learn what the ‘lol’ ‘lmao’ and so on all meant; feels like with first joining the net or talking video games, you’re having to learn a new language of sorts... Eh, but then again if I play a game, I just play it, no interest in technical stuff about it; if I like it, I keep playing; if not I stop, period, or if/when I get bored of it... Interesting how when not liking something or when Choosing to like or not a game, it gets into technical stuff with some/ many, and talk of change even. I figure just like it as it is or not.... I wouldn’t have faith in changes making it better. Besides, everyone is different, keep something as is and there will be those who will like/ love it while the other half doesn’t; make changes and you got some happy while others are not pleased... YOU CAN’T PLEASE EVERYONE, and that’s the problem, making changes is pretty much pointless. You will always have unhappy campers... But whatever...
Thomas Willmott
Thomas Willmott 5 сарын өмнө
The game is outstanding in terms of content and gameplay but i 100% agree this game is broken online. The input lag across the board is horrible and unplayable, ive tried to play it multiple sessions online but each time ive never enjoyed the experience. It should be 4 player stock brawler but 1v1 really breaks the game with its laggy matchups that really rely on precise inputs not DLC button mashing
Joel Moraga
Joel Moraga 5 сарын өмнө
Tier list at 11:17.
AdrianTheG 5 сарын өмнө
One time I did a Nair with the c stick
Whatever I'm Doing
Whatever I'm Doing 5 сарын өмнө
If this game had Melee's buttery smoothness 😭😭😥 it'd be very 👌👌😁
Sean Kondrot
Sean Kondrot 5 сарын өмнө
As a casual viewer that has played since the first game, Smash Ultimate is my favorite to watch. Melee was the most fun to play.
Liggliluff 5 сарын өмнө
(9:55) Idea; just like 1v1 no items changes the damage done, it could also lower or remove the rage mechanic, while otherwise it can increase the rage mechanic. But team vs team needs to be counted as 1v1 as well.
Waddles ワドさん
Waddles ワドさん 5 сарын өмнө
The real problem is Smash’s GSP system. My fox went from 6 million to 0.7 million in 2 matches. TWO MATCHES. And then I had to winning streak crawl my way all the way back up only to lose and get sent back down again.
Firebrand 5 сарын өмнө
I think a lot of people here are forgetting that Fudj was analyzing and judging the game from a "competitive standpoint", not a design standpoint. The distinction here is that a competitive standpoint has to analyze the best tools and options for competitive play, and if there's stuff that's too broken, either good or bad, then that's something that needs to be criticized. However, the Design Standpoint judges the games mechanics, which would include buffering, balancing, etc, and if something seems like bad design that's where they criticize. So, to sum it up- a Competitive Standpoint debator isn't worried about how good or bad a mechanic is as a design choice, they just want to make sure it doesn't break the game. A Design Standpoint debator isn't worried about the competitive usage of the mechanics, just breaking the mechanics down in general and assigning value to them. Fudj constantly brings up Design Judgements when he should be focusing on Competitive Judgements- after all, that is what he made the video for, is it not? This isn't to say Fudj's video is good or bad, this is just to clarify that Fudj, ZeRo and a lot of others haven't been making the important distinction, or confusing the two as the same, when they aren't. Because if we're speaking about buffering from a competitive standpoint, the argument will be "Get good. Learn how to work around it, unless it's impossible to." (Which, as of now, it isn't impossible to work around- just watch ESAM prove Fudj wrong on that) But the design standpoint will have a different discussion around it entirely.
Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin 5 сарын өмнө
Let's just get this straight ultimate isn't as bad as smash 4
Darrin Bailey
Darrin Bailey 5 сарын өмнө
Joshua Martin false
Galen Burnett
Galen Burnett 5 сарын өмнө
You're great ZeRo. I don't know why you don't jump back into tournaments starting at the bottom but with an enormous handicap though, like starting at 100% or unbalanced stocks, then you'd have people to practise to beat again.
Vexing Data
Vexing Data 5 сарын өмнө
I honestly believe that Smash should embrace it's competitive side. Instead of not doing it. The world wants it to be a competitive fighter. And maybe they don't want to make it that way because they would have to tweak it alot more which would put more work. So I do understand. But still.
Carlos Galeno
Carlos Galeno 5 сарын өмнө
Dabsol 5 сарын өмнө
I think your commentary was quite smart on this topic, zero.
Joel Miller
Joel Miller 5 сарын өмнө
The answer is no.
Zeskverta 5 сарын өмнө
I thought it was going to be more focused on Jebtube's video on it because it's full on about ultimate in general instead of this one where it's more focused on the competitive side.
xmish16 5 сарын өмнө
Lolwut. I wish Joker was broken but he ain't. He's got obvious flaws you can take advantage of
xmish16 5 сарын өмнө
God I hate his video. It's so much BS about things that are blatantly not broken. You can spin any smash game as broken because of ludicrous reasoning like "why is a character flawed like this??? Why can't I just do this easily??" The game is about fun. I think it's definitely the most balanced and least broken in the series. Especially when compared to melee and it's meta relying heavily on broken mechanics. Ultimate makes sense with every character being viable but having flaws that can be exploited if you're skill enough. I'm really salty about these kinds of videos sorry. But that guy can seriously fuck right off with that "Hey don't hate me I'm just being critical" nonsense and his dumb JPEG of some dude. If this game can't please competitive smash fans then literally nothing will. It's so well designed and fun especially. Fixing online is fine but the whole buffer critique never really made sense to me. It's to make sure that people with fast fingers don't take over and alienate people who don't have the mental capability to articulate their fingers that way. That's not to say the game should be made slower to accommodate everyone obviously. It's just frustrating to see a game like melee and realizing that you may not be able to compete just because you can't wave dash.
MANiKiN 5 сарын өмнө
ShieldWolf 5 сарын өмнө
@16:07 - I thoroughly agree with you here. There definitely is a wider variety of top tier characters than just... well... Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth (in Melee's case), Meta Knight (Brawl), Bayonetta (Sm4sh).
Manuel Alejandro
Manuel Alejandro 5 сарын өмнө
what about giving Terry a meter to use specials, and not just reaching 100% Cloud doesn't fill gauge by getting hit Arsene doesn't exist just with time and getting hit, only rebel's guard waft is just ridiculous Aura doesn't fucking exists, lucario is trash, just give him a 70% aura damage and that's it little mac gets KO punch just by hitting the opponent, and not by getting hit comeback mechanics suck, the game rewards u for losing, wtf
Jonah Gilpin
Jonah Gilpin 5 сарын өмнө
14:16 coming from a mario main mario is such horse shit dude
MZ 5 сарын өмнө
Having the engine reward fast gameplay and being aggressive but at the same time having insanely bad input buffering is so aggravating to me. On top of poor controls like the short hop mechanics, I think it’s harder to pick up and train. It’s balancing of characters is good, but that’s about it tbh
MZ 5 сарын өмнө
I feel like they tried to make the game not a fighting game by having terrible online, input lag, lack of control options, an engine that forces you to act fast
Trolleris 5 сарын өмнө
Never watched the video, but i fucking hate the movement in the game.
Ryan Duty
Ryan Duty 5 сарын өмнө
I personally feel the true competitive failings comes down to the lack of Nintendo support. The true reason other fighting games like SF5, Tekken 7, and MK11 is because they have their own pro tours supported and developed by the companies that developed those games.
Lucina DiLorenzo
Lucina DiLorenzo 5 сарын өмнө
Honestly wish the controls in general had more in depth control configurations. Would love to do things like set the second jump button to short hop or something. I know mastery of controls is important to fighting games but I don’t like feeling like I’m fighting the controls like I’m fighting my opponent. I main lucina and trying to do landing nair out of a short hop feels impossible to do because doing a short hop without the macro feels so bad lol.
BLOOD 0F GANON 5 сарын өмнө
64, melee, PM are the only good smash games. This game has been watered down so badly.
Benjamin Decimo
Benjamin Decimo 5 сарын өмнө
Charles Jefferson
Charles Jefferson 5 сарын өмнө
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